Never been able to contribute much with regard to Financial Markets as the knowledge of the people on this board is far greater than mine but the area of sports tipsters is something I know a bit about.

99% of tipsters are at best useless and at worst complete crooks and fraudsters. It's ten years since I first became involved with tipsters through the Isiris service which became a victim of their own success with advised prices that were impossible to obtain. Since then I've made and lost tens of thousands in the search of the holy grail and although I still haven't managed to find incredible wealth I have found a couple of genuine tipsters that make excellent profits.

Brimarden I can assure you are not one of them and should be avoided but if you search hard enough you may dig up a couple of gems. The one bit of advice I would give is foget the heavily advertised tipsters with the big subscription fees, I've found that the cheaper and lower key the better.

My experiences with Isiris have overall been pretty good, I must say. But I agree with you completely that it's rarely possible to get the "advised prices"; still profitable, though, for all that.

From my own very varied experiences over the years, with the single exception of Isiris I totally agree with you that so far "the cheaper and lower key the better". As you say, there are some profitable ones, though probably 99% aren't. I suspect that the same may also be also be true of the "trading tipping services" actually, though by comparison I have very little experience on that subect!

It is curious that 602511 is so well versed on the entire ASA episode which was 5 years ago and I didnt say anything about it in a negative sense. All I have done is to let people read some of the experience of others. Maybe 602511 has a vested interest in Brimardon, maybe one of the founders who knows but that kind of reaction we have frequently seen from others who are pushing their own products on these boards whenever anyone questions anything about their "Holy Grail".

As for being labelled an amateur in Horse Racing, well everyone is entitled to their own views so I have no issue with that. What I will say is that I have a lot more experience in this field than most people would even begin to imagine.

511

You're so funny.!

trader 333, you have shown your hand by quoting racing-systems posts, that says it all about your knowledge of racing, the vested interest i have is im a customer why would i need to be involved, yes i know them in the office you are encouraged to keep in contact with them, thats how you get to know what's going on, its interesting you have limited knowledge of this system when its influences on the market is the largest of any service or system, if you put all the top services together the you would still not get close, i think you you need a demo to see what is really going on, then come on here and say its rubbish because you will not do that, if you saw it you would join , how could you afford not to, amazes me someone with your racing knowledge has no idea what its doing, by all means slate me and slag me but get your facts right, just to enlighten you a bit more, since July 2003 then lays have been added, the office told me they had operated the laying themselves for a year previously they had dare not to release it earlier because it would have ruined the markets as betfair was growing at the time, the markets had grown in July 2003 to accomadate the large membership, over 400 at the time i hear, just to show you what we had today 1pt win garryvoe 6/1 2nd, 2 pts win whitford don 7/2 won, 1pt win jaunty times 2nd 4/1 and half a point ew oasis banus 66/1 lost, 1 lay campaign trail 5pts lay 3/1 favourite won, total of 9 points profit , in the racing post it said of whitford don , unreliable and you could not really have backed it with racing knowledge but you just do it cause racing knowledge is no good on this system,oh and the phone service does not have any long losing runs the bane of traditional backing they are a thing of the past, how ? easy really but then that would be telling.
average price of all bets to win around 8/1, lays around 5/2 ,strikes rates to blow your socks off,
cant wait for Saturday's profit, last 7 days 6 profitable days, sorry just rubbing it in. :lol:

602511,

Your views are at best "polarised". You are quoting me saying things that I havent said, implying things that I havent implied and assumed all sorts of things about my knowledge of racing all of which is wrong.

You have yet to answer with any real credibility why anyone would want to sell a system when you can make £7000 a month in profit. I also know several of my associtaes who are sick of the junk mail that they have been bombarded with for years from this company. If things are so easy then why the hard sell approach on a relentless basis ?

In my view the approach being taken is the same as Vince S and if this is so great then why have I yet to meet anyone, (other than yourself), who is saying the same as you are ? You see if news is that good then it travels very quickly and everyone is screaming to jump on board but in this case the silence is deafening.

As to your comment about rubbing in how much profit you have made then I suggest you bother to go back over the 2500 posts that I have made and in particular the ones where I have posted real time trades on these boards. You will soon see that I have posted many where £900 profit was easily attained and with a risk level that was almost insignificant so compare that to the risk you are putting on each of your bets.

The key advantage here is that what many of us on these boards are able to do this without having to phone an office or subscribe to expensive software so we are not reliant on third party experts to enable us to make ongoing low risk and high profits.

That is it from me on this thread

Saturday update at 15.06 profit won today £1000, business now closed money won, just as i told you friday on here, thats confidence for you predicting profit before it happens, £8,200 in front this month now.
no wonder you are quitting the thread 333 because you know who will come out on top and as you have a good reputation on here i think its a wise decision, stick to what you are good at and do not try be a master of everything, all i do is trading on horse racing, thats it full time.
If you have got bombarded with mail then the only way you have got on the mailing list is to ask for a brochure, if you no longer want to see or hear about the system give them a ring , the nicest people you will ever do business with and they will take you off that list. as i said in a earlier post 99% of backers lose because their thoughts on racing are wrong, if you have your knowledge on racing then you will not win, i would class you as a backer but a hobby backer that loses, you gave the game away earlier, if you joined its questionable you could win, you are full of the wrong ideas and racing thoughts, its not anything to do with horse racing knowledge, if you have non you will do well, your knowledge of human beings is also questionable , when they are doing well most keep quiet, totally opposite to the way you think it is, the system works totally opposite to what you think it does, still thats why bookies make billions and only 1% win on betfair, losing backers with all the wrong ideas, i rest my case

Good points 333.

I feel 511 should now put up or shut up.

List your bets here BEFORE you do them, then I'm sure you'll get a lot of people signing up for the system (as long as you deliver), possibly even myself.

But the more you say how much you've won AFTER the event the more cynical people become.

I'm proud to be cynical in this game, cynics generally keep their money longer although you get the reputation of a knocker.

So be it, but then the opposite of cynical in my mind in naive and it's the naive people out there who 'so want to believe' that usually end up with broken dreams.........

as i have signed a non disclosure agreement, as does every one that joins that would mean i could be in big trouble to disclose the investments before the event, i also a signed a agreement to use the software which restricts me, i quoted off the system web site which is the bets that i do on any profit i quoted, as a requirement from the advertising standards authority there is a agreement that they have to proof the bets to the racing post and a chartered accountant everyday,. sorry to upset a few if thats how its come across but just like brian in a previous post and a few others who have tried to tell the truth about a genuine system, its the lies told by others that i am trying to correct. i have replied to a few private messages and have helped those that have asked.

Just to show you its not all win, win, win, im behind so far in March but just to show you how tight its been they had a 25/1 beaten on Thursday by a short head, backed ew, yes i did make a bit back with the ew place part but thats 25 points difference and on Saturday same thing happened sh hd loser that would have made a further 9 points profit, so thats around 34 points thats could have been mine, they found a 11/1 winner on Sunday to get some money back and we had other winners to nearly get in profit.
The trading came in handy on Thursday on the 25/1 investment with 2 fences to go you could have backed it back on betfair at even money in running, available for £1200 at evens, i laid off some of the bet at 5/1 in running to cover myself so made a small profit on the race, the race on Saturday was subject to a photo finish that took a long time so i could trade and back the other horse in the photo to reduce my loss on the race, it took a long time to decide and the other horse won, March is still looking good for the profit. :cheesy: