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Old 11-21-2007, 12:27 PM
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I need to correct myself here but before I do that, I said we need a Democrat in the office because none of the Republican candidates who are currently running for office seems capable enough. But I have been looking at the profiles and doing some research, and I favor Ron Paul. He is way more reliable than the big Democratic leaders and he has got his Constitution down. He is what Republicans are supposed to be like... "a humble foreign policy, no nation building" (Bush's campaign phrases). You're right - Hillary's health care plan would probably not work, and Obama is too much of an idealist IMO. But anyone who wants to bring a different perspective on these candidates, please do so. It's good to discuss because we all want what's best for our countrym, don't we?
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:04 PM
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I like Ron Paul's ideas about returning to the foundation of our Constitution. But the thing is that he is also a bit extreme on it. He would be reducing our national security, our basic laws, etc etc. Some of the stuff he does not want in America are things we need. He wants us out of the UN. I agree the UN is worthless. But if we drop out then we have problems. The UN would pass things and allow things to go on that our veto power would normally be able to stop. Then I do not like that Ron Paul basically stated that we caused 9/11 to happen and that it was our fault.
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:06 AM
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I do not think it is extreme, per se, but think that we have strayed very far and that's why it may seem extreme to return to our basic principles. Obviously you and I have different opinions about our foreign policy, but right now America has too many troops where they're not needed. My friends in South Korea agree that troops in the region are unnecessary, and the fact that they got rid of one of the military bases didn't make any difference at all. Sometimes intervention may be necessary, but if we start going around as the world police, that in effect decreases our national security because then we become despised and become a target. Even the approval rates of some of the EU nations have dropped in the past few years. We need to build relationships with other nations, but at the moment the prospect seems dismal.
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:07 AM
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We strayed from the path of the Constitutuion so to speak because new times came and that is how things needed to be. After WW2 we helped start the UN. That itself is the world police. They never do what they are supposed to though so that puts America as the one that has to do it all.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:10 AM
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There must be a better way to get things done than trying to handle it all by oneself. The current national debt we have is staggering.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:29 PM
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There must be a better way to get things done than trying to handle it all by oneself. The current national debt we have is staggering.
Democrats and most members of the UN always rant about how we need to work with diplomacy. Thing is, that has never worked. I cannot think of one time diplomacy has worked in the last century. If you know of any let me know please.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:54 AM
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Diplomacy does not work? That is a pretty bold and broad statement. Well, for one thing if we had not used diplomacy there would have been no way for us to do open trade with every single nation that America does trade with. To turn the question around, give me an example from the past where military force worked better than diplomacy.
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:53 PM
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I tend to keep myself out of political discussions, but I personally will be voting for John Edwards in this upcoming election. Just my opinion.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:17 PM
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Diplomacy does not work? That is a pretty bold and broad statement. Well, for one thing if we had not used diplomacy there would have been no way for us to do open trade with every single nation that America does trade with. To turn the question around, give me an example from the past where military force worked better than diplomacy.
You know I was not referring to trade and all. I am referring to conflicts and security. And you want examples of when military action has worked? Try World War 2.
Now name one time diplomacy has worked.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:09 AM
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Oh, no, I was afraid you might bring that up. That was a war and did not involve the U.S. acting all by itself. I'm talking more along the lines of Iraq, Vietnam, and Lebanon. Military action didn't work in any of these cases. I have a problem with America going around the world, establishing military bases in countries where they're not needed and the excuse they give us is that it increases national security. All it does is incite more hatred and make us an easy target while creating unnecessary casualties when we can bring such better results through diplomacy.

Now, to give examples where diplomacy worked, after the assassination of the Lebanese prime minister Hariri, the U.S. consulted the UN and worked with France to get the Syrian forces out of Lebanon. And of course, just about a month ago North Korea agreed to disable its nuclear facilities. Did we use military action there? Not at all. I'll quote Condoleezza Rice herself on this matter in case you need more convincing: "This is an exciting moment in U.S. foreign policy. Now that we have discovered this innovative new method, 'diplomacy,'our nation will no longer have to rely exclusively on more traditional forms of foreign relations such as mockery, insults and unilateral military action." I'll say, she's slow to catch on, but now give me an example in which the U.S. alone used military action to end a conflict.

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